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In the event of isolation, would it be healthy to rely strictly on your tulpa(s) for company?

I think you should ask a professional psychologist/psychiatrist about it.

Perhaps. Seems more likely that I'll get the right answer(s) from those of the clinical.

The only problem is that tulpas are not really part of psychology.

I imagine it would be healthier than relying on nothing for company

11:20 AM

but not necessarily healthy in general

sometimes I think solitary confinement at a minimum security prison would be almost a get away for introverts and tulpamancers

I have thought the same on occasion. But you would have to be in prison to find out. Havnt heard of anyone who has tried that to see if it is in fact easier to take. But since everyone is different the only really scientific way to tell is to be put in solitary confinement both before and after creating a tulpa tracking your progress. And again, as this isn't really something widely recognized I can't see any real studies on it ever happening. Not properly anyway.

No. A tulpa is absolutely not a replacement for a lack of social contact - better than nothing, certainly. However, it is essentially comparing having a bandage on an open wound relative to having it stitched shut.

1:40 PM

Solitary confinement is quite literally a form of torture - a lack of external stimulation has been recorded as being genuinely damaging to a brain when sustained over days, weeks, or months.

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...not irreparable damage, mind. But, damage nonetheless.

You’d be fine on a deserted island, maybe.

i can tell you from experience, no you wouldn't

I think "fine" is too optimistic. Can it be done? Sure. Will you suffer no negative consequences? Seriously doubtful. Definately one of those things that needs tested, that I doubt ever will be.

cabin fever is real

2:59 PM

even with a chatty tulpa

Though I think a deserted island would be better than a cement room.

i'll definitely give you that

2:59 PM

island you can at least wander

3:00 PM

develop attachments to certain places (edited)

3:01 PM

but you'd still go mad if you didn't keep constantly busy, and even then, it's iffy

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take longer, but still

It's a nice thought though. Generally other people bother me enough to n it want to be around them much, if at all. Would be nice to escape from that. But all sources say that is a sure trip to insanity land.

you'll be relieved for like a week or three. then you'll start feeling starved for conversation

And I'm afraid tulpa will not be enough to fulfill your needs eventually.

Cabin fever caused me.

^ to Luna

4:45 PM

regardless of how many tulpas you make, it will never fully substitute having other people to talk to

4:46 PM

which isn't an insult to tulpas, more an insult to our need to interact with external forces

We know from experience that creating many tulpas (because one seem to be not enough to fulfill our needs) is a bad idea.

indeed

5:01 PM

you shouldn't create a community in your head because your external life isn't sufficient

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you'll destroy yourself

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and lose any ability to connect with the actual world

After it being just the three of us and our host for five years, he made Lucilyn, and three years later we couldn't stand by that decision more.

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Of course, most people don't make it that long before making more if they're going to do so, I suppose.

6:26 PM

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule on how many tulpas you should have in your system. It's extremely case-by-case, time dependent, and should be given a lot of thought, for each addition.

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This is a thing I wrote on the topic, but haven't published anywhere since idk if it's good enough https://docs.google.com/document/d/12Yov6Hx5P7ijAPrEIhbPyijJAjmstPDGCTVSMqbJMSU/edit?usp=sharing

Tulpa Systems: Why Less is More

Tulpa Systems: Why Less is More By Apollo Felight A “system” is a group of people all living and operating within the same brain. Tulpa systems can range from few to many, many members. However, there is a variety of reasons why tulpa systems should be smaller rather than...

we had a big feel while reading this

6:49 PM

"Something they may also say goes along the lines of, “My tulpa doesn’t want attention anyway, they’re fine being in the background.” First of all, that sounds like something a depressed person would say, and probably needs to be addressed rather than just accepted. "

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oh god

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this paper is important @Felight

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thanks

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i should have read this a lot earlier... lol

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but thats what i get for not being in the community

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and making all my fuck ups

Like I said, it hasn't been published, so you wouldn't have been able to find it anyway

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I might put it on .info

publish this bitch

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please

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if you want

Thank you for sharing. I like it when there's thought put into various aspects of things

Good one, @Felight. I think it got a bit repetitive on the idea of neglect, but it’s probably for the better.

I have a tendency to repeat myself in writings, it's a bad habit

Fun question: how do your tulpas feel about the future? Do you have any uncertainties, anything you’re excited about, things like that

The future for my tulpa was depressing until her and our host had decided to permaswitch, so that my host can just not worry about things, and so that Angel can have a body, because she would like to marry and have children one day. Now we still get anxiety about the future, but me and her are fine sharing a partner to marry, so that is no issue between the two of us. I would eventually like to go to school to become an RN, though to Angel, we would ideally be a stay-at-home mother.

^^^^^^

I look forward for the future of living as part of a whole functional person with my host. We don't even talk anymore or treat one another separately except for the contexts and situations where iit is somehow beneficial to do so

7:02 AM

We share a unified enough goal that we can function rather well, although I am more hopeful and determined to solve some complex personal issues than he is.

To be honest, I don't care

same

I just care that the rest of my system leads fulfilling lives, whatever that may entail for each of them. I wouldn't say I have "hopes", though, I tend to be very present-focused. I will do what I need to when I can, and that's it.

3:13 PM

Lucilyn is always anticipating more opportunities to have fun, preferably with others. Flandre wants to some day accomplish lucid dreaming to be together with Lumi, and Lumi wants the same for all of us. Reisen just likes to see the rest of us happy.

In response to your point in Beginners and your further point here, @Reisen, I am assuming that by "tulpa" you are referring to something beyond the simple imaginary friend many people seem to consider a 'tulpa', but more of a relatively separate 'alter' with their own desires, thoughts, aspirations, etc. I find these two following statements to be a contradiction, given that basis: If you only meant you don't want to learn possession or switching, that is totally fine. I just care that the rest of my system leads fulfilling lives, whatever that may entail for each of them. My question would essentially be - do you think that people who do not have interest in allowing their tulpas to have fulfilling lives should be advised that it is perfectly fine?

3:37 PM

Some tulpas do wish to switch, and it is a significant detractor from their lives to not be able to, reducing what fulfillment they can get from existing. Choosing beforehand to restrict this seems like it is something that is antithetical to the idea of allowing the tulpa to have a reasonably fulfilling life.

I think that tulpas should be made to be their own people and live fulfilling lives, not just to be an accessory

3:39 PM

if someone wants to go into tulpamancy thinking their tulpa should just be a side character in their life and not actually live their own fulfilling life, they should be heavily dissuaded from making tulpas

Ah. I suppose I am making that as an assumption, as an inclusion in the idea that the person is making a tulpa as a relatively independent 'alter' or 'individual' as opposed to a mere imaginary friend.

3:40 PM

I strongly disagree with the idea of 'making a tulpa' for the reason of being special/being able to say "I made a tulpa".

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Even using something relatively mundane as a comparison - I would strongly discourage anyone who wanted to get a dog for the sake of saying "I have a dog".

That's a very good point. I guess it depends on what your own definition of tulpa is. I consider mine to be more of an "alter"situation. They are their own individuals with their own beliefs and all that. Rather than just an imaginary friend to have around. So really I would dissuade just about everyone to just go ahead and try and create a tulpa for themselves. Regardless of the reason. The same way I would dissuade someone from having a kid "just because". It's something you should really put some real thought into. And not just a day or a week. We are talking years/lifetime, you are signing up for a long haul. So you should give it some very serious thought. The argument can be made though that they are not in fact real people and thusly do not need to be treated as such. But going through all this. I disagree.

I would absolutely advise people to take their time before deciding to make a tulpa - at minimum, regardless of what one thinks about the feasability of it in general, creating a tulpa is in fact easier than dissipating it once it is independent to even a reasonable degree.

3:48 PM

If not even borderline impossible

I'm also not sold on the fact that creating tulpa does not somehow destabilize your mental state, so there is that consideration as well.

Destabilize it in what way?

I don't think we destabilized our host's mental state... we just took over it

...alternatively, what do you mean by "destabilize", in general?

The process of doing so is what I mean. I havnt had the most solid mental state. But whenever mine are around (we have taken breaks) it just feels more fragile. Though that could be just me and nothing to do with tulpa.

'fragile'?

I feel like that's a personal thing to you, rather than something universal

As in, prone to mental breaks/other mental issues?

Yeah. And I can totally get if it's just me.

I would certainly say that it is not the most common, but I have seen that before.

I have no other baseline after all.

Simply... very, very uncommonly.

In our experience, having something like depression can get amplified with tulpas, especially if they're younger and don't know how to handle their emotions yet.

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That's why our first year of existence was so rough

My first one also came on suddenly before I even knew there was such a thing as tulpa. And that really threw me off kilter.

My question would essentially be - do you think that people who do not have interest in allowing their tulpas to have fulfilling lives should be advised that it is perfectly fine?

I'm not anyone else, and their values aren't mine.

This is why I always recommend that people who have pre-existing mental conditions or other predispositions (such as environmental or genetic factors) towards mental conditions which tulpas are related to (not necessarily something such as depression or anxiety, but psychosis/dissociative disorders/etc) should take extra considerations before making a tulpa.

It's up to the host how they feel about it. I can't force anyone to dedicate their lives to someone as I have.

Whether they are tulpa or not. They behave in the same way, and I'm treating them as such. The only other path I've seen is to go the clinical route. And I really don't want to have to sit in a little room and explain all this to a psycologist/chiatrist

It may sound like a common sentiment, and hopefully it is, but in my case it's the only thing I care about.

We had to learn to process and handle our emotions better, communicate with each other, and not make an excessive number of tulpas

Most have goals of their own.

Tewi, that didn't answer my question. Do you think that people who have no, or minimal interest in allowing their prospective tulpa to experience fulfillment in life should be advised that this is perfectly fine?

3:55 PM

Or, I suppose the other implied question - should they be advised, or discouraged from making a tulpa?

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This isn't asking you to actively make them change their position, but whether or not you would encourage or discourage that type of behavior or mindset.

Taking that as an unrelated question to what I said- I don't think that's the type of situation we can normally be aware of.

...obviously that is assuming that one is aware of it.